<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments for @RealSteveHolmes -  - 40 years of exploring ideas and now for 20 more</title>
	<atom:link href="http://realsteveholmes.com/comments/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://realsteveholmes.com</link>
	<description>NO TEACHER · NO METHOD · NO GURU · NO PERSONAL COACH · NO MYERS BRIGGS</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:10:13 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>Comment on 5.3.6 Friendship and Equality by Cora</title>
		<link>http://realsteveholmes.com/599/5-3-6-friendsip-and-equality/comment-page-1#comment-246</link>
		<dc:creator>Cora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://realsteveholmes.com/?p=599#comment-246</guid>
		<description>Human beings do not like changes...
In a relationship the balance gets disturbed when one of the two is changing. The underlying discomfort arises out of fear: will the other person still like me, love me, need me as before? A new balance has to be found.

When this happens with people who are related to each other in a family bond, there&#039;s a big chance that these changes will be accepted. Maybe not at once, but surely in the end. This acceptance is far more uncertain when two friends are involved. So, when someone is changing, it is possible that some friendships may end. 

And is this the difference between friends who like each other, and who don&#039;t really mind to let each other go - and those friends who love each other, thus accepting that making chances are part of our lives...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Human beings do not like changes&#8230;<br />
In a relationship the balance gets disturbed when one of the two is changing. The underlying discomfort arises out of fear: will the other person still like me, love me, need me as before? A new balance has to be found.</p>
<p>When this happens with people who are related to each other in a family bond, there&#8217;s a big chance that these changes will be accepted. Maybe not at once, but surely in the end. This acceptance is far more uncertain when two friends are involved. So, when someone is changing, it is possible that some friendships may end. </p>
<p>And is this the difference between friends who like each other, and who don&#8217;t really mind to let each other go &#8211; and those friends who love each other, thus accepting that making chances are part of our lives&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on 5.3.6 Friendship and Equality by Jolanda</title>
		<link>http://realsteveholmes.com/599/5-3-6-friendsip-and-equality/comment-page-1#comment-245</link>
		<dc:creator>Jolanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://realsteveholmes.com/?p=599#comment-245</guid>
		<description>Rereading the quote above I like the thought about friendship shifting, not staying in one location. And yes, I believe that during a period of shifting in the friendship that the issue of equality becomes important because this has impact on the amount of indulgence we can engage in with our friends. There is also danger when the character of the friendship changes because as we know many social animals - humans included - do not like change. Thus acceptance of change is crucial to the amount of indulgence (see above) we can expect in friendship. 

On the point of animals feeling love, though it seems we are wandering away from the focus, I wonder if friends have to actually &quot;love&quot; each other. Maybe defining these feelings could give more clarity. Is it possible for friends to like each other a lot without loving each other? We can surely speak about &quot;degrees of (love, like)&quot; in this instance. 

Social animals also seek and need hands that feed and are dependent on them to a greater extent than they may like to believe. Intelligence and communication may happen in many more ways than we are conscious of or like to think that we have a hold on.

&quot;In proportion to the issues that create friendship there must be between the two friends a freedom in feeling and language large enough to make sure that neither one is superior nor the other inferior.&quot; 

In this quote I do acknowledge the balance that is necessary for friendship and in some strange way I still think this can apply to friendships (relationships?) with animals. This feeling is surprising to me even not being an animal lover (here comes love again)!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rereading the quote above I like the thought about friendship shifting, not staying in one location. And yes, I believe that during a period of shifting in the friendship that the issue of equality becomes important because this has impact on the amount of indulgence we can engage in with our friends. There is also danger when the character of the friendship changes because as we know many social animals &#8211; humans included &#8211; do not like change. Thus acceptance of change is crucial to the amount of indulgence (see above) we can expect in friendship. </p>
<p>On the point of animals feeling love, though it seems we are wandering away from the focus, I wonder if friends have to actually &#8220;love&#8221; each other. Maybe defining these feelings could give more clarity. Is it possible for friends to like each other a lot without loving each other? We can surely speak about &#8220;degrees of (love, like)&#8221; in this instance. </p>
<p>Social animals also seek and need hands that feed and are dependent on them to a greater extent than they may like to believe. Intelligence and communication may happen in many more ways than we are conscious of or like to think that we have a hold on.</p>
<p>&#8220;In proportion to the issues that create friendship there must be between the two friends a freedom in feeling and language large enough to make sure that neither one is superior nor the other inferior.&#8221; </p>
<p>In this quote I do acknowledge the balance that is necessary for friendship and in some strange way I still think this can apply to friendships (relationships?) with animals. This feeling is surprising to me even not being an animal lover (here comes love again)!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on FILM: the most horrible feminist shite I ever saw by RealSteveHolmes</title>
		<link>http://realsteveholmes.com/631/film-the-most-horrible-femist-shite-i-ever-saw/comment-page-1#comment-244</link>
		<dc:creator>RealSteveHolmes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://realsteveholmes.com/?p=631#comment-244</guid>
		<description>I&#039;m afraid I&#039;m not going to agree that my loathing of feminism is exaggerated. It&#039;s like a poison cloud that first launched itself when I was 20 years old in 1969 and has continued to contaminate human relationships ever since, imputing as it does in various degrees and with various levels of cupidity and malice a whole series of almost entirely negative attitudes, behaviours and instincts to the male of the species and assuming that the female is almost entirely the innocent victim.

None of it is even true on the sociological level. When women in America wanted to play housewife and make apple pies the men of America organised a grim society of hard work for themselves and a relatively easy domestic routine for their spouses. When women changed their minds and started demanding equality in the workplace the entire economic system was restructured to make opportunities for them, especially the more aspiring classes, simultaneously throwing unskilled male workers on the scrap-heap where their families have suffered for the emancipation and enrichment of some but not all women.

Class, race, education and religion remain far more important than gender yet gender is the one that has been stuffed down our throats until it chokes us for the last four decades. And I am now so allergic to hearing about it that far from wanting any further justice for women I simply want them to shut the fuck up for the rest of my life, especially those who complain the loudest, the wealthy ones in western societies who have more than most of the world&#039;s men ever had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid I&#8217;m not going to agree that my loathing of feminism is exaggerated. It&#8217;s like a poison cloud that first launched itself when I was 20 years old in 1969 and has continued to contaminate human relationships ever since, imputing as it does in various degrees and with various levels of cupidity and malice a whole series of almost entirely negative attitudes, behaviours and instincts to the male of the species and assuming that the female is almost entirely the innocent victim.</p>
<p>None of it is even true on the sociological level. When women in America wanted to play housewife and make apple pies the men of America organised a grim society of hard work for themselves and a relatively easy domestic routine for their spouses. When women changed their minds and started demanding equality in the workplace the entire economic system was restructured to make opportunities for them, especially the more aspiring classes, simultaneously throwing unskilled male workers on the scrap-heap where their families have suffered for the emancipation and enrichment of some but not all women.</p>
<p>Class, race, education and religion remain far more important than gender yet gender is the one that has been stuffed down our throats until it chokes us for the last four decades. And I am now so allergic to hearing about it that far from wanting any further justice for women I simply want them to shut the fuck up for the rest of my life, especially those who complain the loudest, the wealthy ones in western societies who have more than most of the world&#8217;s men ever had.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on When it feels right by RealSteveHolmes</title>
		<link>http://realsteveholmes.com/636/when-it-feels-right/comment-page-1#comment-243</link>
		<dc:creator>RealSteveHolmes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://realsteveholmes.com/?p=636#comment-243</guid>
		<description>When I think about this I contrast my parsimonious little world of ungenerosity to myself with the realms described in Elias Canetti&#039;s book &quot;Crowds and Power&quot; - with his graphic accounts of monarchs and dictators who have played fast and loose with entire countries, even empires and the lives of countless subservients whom they cruelly mistreated simply for the whim of their own comforts and impulses. They took everything, whereas I have asked for almost nothing. Everywhere I look I see ordinary people on average incomes who have far more disposable wealth than me and spend far more on themselves. And I am reluctant, even, to wear my best jeans. Everything I ever buy I look for a bargain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I think about this I contrast my parsimonious little world of ungenerosity to myself with the realms described in Elias Canetti&#8217;s book &#8220;Crowds and Power&#8221; &#8211; with his graphic accounts of monarchs and dictators who have played fast and loose with entire countries, even empires and the lives of countless subservients whom they cruelly mistreated simply for the whim of their own comforts and impulses. They took everything, whereas I have asked for almost nothing. Everywhere I look I see ordinary people on average incomes who have far more disposable wealth than me and spend far more on themselves. And I am reluctant, even, to wear my best jeans. Everything I ever buy I look for a bargain.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on When it feels right by GentleEye</title>
		<link>http://realsteveholmes.com/636/when-it-feels-right/comment-page-1#comment-242</link>
		<dc:creator>GentleEye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 22:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://realsteveholmes.com/?p=636#comment-242</guid>
		<description>Why do we keep things for &#039;a special occasion&#039; instead of enjoying them whenever we feel like it? I too have clothes in the wardrobe that I love, but hardly ever wear. I have a beautiful set of jewellery that rarely sees the light of day. I have some lovely crockery that lives in a cupboard. I have a few rare fine Finnish wineglasses that have not come out of their box for about 20 years. To compensate, I have some wonderful (original) paintings and other works of art that I look at and relish every day. But what is it that makes the difference?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do we keep things for &#8216;a special occasion&#8217; instead of enjoying them whenever we feel like it? I too have clothes in the wardrobe that I love, but hardly ever wear. I have a beautiful set of jewellery that rarely sees the light of day. I have some lovely crockery that lives in a cupboard. I have a few rare fine Finnish wineglasses that have not come out of their box for about 20 years. To compensate, I have some wonderful (original) paintings and other works of art that I look at and relish every day. But what is it that makes the difference?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on 5.3.6 Friendship and Equality by Cora</title>
		<link>http://realsteveholmes.com/599/5-3-6-friendsip-and-equality/comment-page-1#comment-241</link>
		<dc:creator>Cora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://realsteveholmes.com/?p=599#comment-241</guid>
		<description>Nice point of view, Jolanda, you refuse to spot any danger in friendship between people who are having some kind of &#039;business- relationship&#039;.

Interesting too how you approach the human-animal connection.

Is a dog or a parrot capable of feeling love? or is it a matter of instinct, of knowing the hand that feeds...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice point of view, Jolanda, you refuse to spot any danger in friendship between people who are having some kind of &#8216;business- relationship&#8217;.</p>
<p>Interesting too how you approach the human-animal connection.</p>
<p>Is a dog or a parrot capable of feeling love? or is it a matter of instinct, of knowing the hand that feeds&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on 5.3.6 Friendship and Equality by Jolanda</title>
		<link>http://realsteveholmes.com/599/5-3-6-friendsip-and-equality/comment-page-1#comment-240</link>
		<dc:creator>Jolanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://realsteveholmes.com/?p=599#comment-240</guid>
		<description>&quot;but always within the area of the character of friendship that has been brought into being&quot;

It may be constructive to view friendship in terms of the nature of friendship at any particular time and with any particular thing. It should be possible to experience social relationships like master/apprentice, dentist or doctor and patient and at other times experience the character of friendship when you are not in your dentist&#039;s chair. Because in another setting you may be a friend to your dentist, a friend that he or she is in dire need of. When we look at it from this standpoint words like inferiority and superiority seem to have less relevance to the actual situation or friendship at hand.    

Technically we might agree that animals are inferior to people. But what  about the friendships that humans have with animals and vice versa (to the extent that animals understand this in their given capacity). Even in this instance taking a &quot;character of friendship&quot; perspective that Diderot proposes may be a more constructive way to observe friendships, however difficult or easy they may sometimes be. 

Monarchs, presidents and other human beings will have a need for friends and whether they are &quot;equal&quot; or not seems to be more of a technicality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but always within the area of the character of friendship that has been brought into being&#8221;</p>
<p>It may be constructive to view friendship in terms of the nature of friendship at any particular time and with any particular thing. It should be possible to experience social relationships like master/apprentice, dentist or doctor and patient and at other times experience the character of friendship when you are not in your dentist&#8217;s chair. Because in another setting you may be a friend to your dentist, a friend that he or she is in dire need of. When we look at it from this standpoint words like inferiority and superiority seem to have less relevance to the actual situation or friendship at hand.    </p>
<p>Technically we might agree that animals are inferior to people. But what  about the friendships that humans have with animals and vice versa (to the extent that animals understand this in their given capacity). Even in this instance taking a &#8220;character of friendship&#8221; perspective that Diderot proposes may be a more constructive way to observe friendships, however difficult or easy they may sometimes be. </p>
<p>Monarchs, presidents and other human beings will have a need for friends and whether they are &#8220;equal&#8221; or not seems to be more of a technicality.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on FILM: the most horrible feminist shite I ever saw by Michael Heaney</title>
		<link>http://realsteveholmes.com/631/film-the-most-horrible-femist-shite-i-ever-saw/comment-page-1#comment-239</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Heaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 10:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://realsteveholmes.com/?p=631#comment-239</guid>
		<description>Isn’t misogyny just a specialised branch of misanthropy? 
Feminism is a belief in women’s rights and equality. How could anyone be against that?
Women are people – men are people – we are all humans. Why should our social, cultural, political views and actions be predicated on the details of an individual’s reproductive plumbing rather than a more rational evaluation of their ability to contribute and their needs? 
We have big brains – that allows to make nuanced judgements
So let’s not regress back down the phylogenetic scale to the behaviour of Praying mantis or Black widow spiders
It’s nice to be nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn’t misogyny just a specialised branch of misanthropy?<br />
Feminism is a belief in women’s rights and equality. How could anyone be against that?<br />
Women are people – men are people – we are all humans. Why should our social, cultural, political views and actions be predicated on the details of an individual’s reproductive plumbing rather than a more rational evaluation of their ability to contribute and their needs?<br />
We have big brains – that allows to make nuanced judgements<br />
So let’s not regress back down the phylogenetic scale to the behaviour of Praying mantis or Black widow spiders<br />
It’s nice to be nice.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on FILM: the most horrible feminist shite I ever saw by AnnG</title>
		<link>http://realsteveholmes.com/631/film-the-most-horrible-femist-shite-i-ever-saw/comment-page-1#comment-238</link>
		<dc:creator>AnnG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 22:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://realsteveholmes.com/?p=631#comment-238</guid>
		<description>I think the world was full of hatred before that - well documented by Germaine Greer, and clearly demonstrated in the history books. Alas, all around the world, women are still treated as if they aren&#039;t quite human - denied education, being punished for any sexual expression, genital mutiliation, being stoned for adultery, being left to burn in schools because they weren&#039;t modestly covered... And our enlightened Western governments turn a blind eye and make deals with these regimes, if there is financial benefit. 

Of course there are a great many men who are exploited, but generally it is by richer and more powerful men, and not by the few rich and powerful women. The evidence still shows that women do a huge proportion of the world&#039;s work, in exchange for a tiny portion of it&#039;s wealth. 

I believe it has been in the interest of capitalism to set mena nd women againts each other, to keep our minds distracted from the great injustices that are perpetrated on all of us.

From what I gather the film is a thriller, and so many of them are biased in the other direction. Think of all the Chandler women, and the idea of women presented in the whole noir genre. 

The suspicion and bleakness is just part of the genre, and complaining about it is akin to objecting to innuendo in Carry On films.

I&#039;m reminded of the Michael Winner film. He was challenged about the sexism in his films on the Channel 4 discussion programme After Dark, and he said that if someone came to him with the gender roles reversed, he would still be inter5ested in making the film. What was it called? Dirty Weekend, I think. A female main character who was raped and abused went on a spree and killed lots of men who tried to take advanatage of her. 

I don&#039;t read a film like that as a commentary on the relationhsip between all men and all women - it&#039;s justa  story that chooses to look at the dark side of a few extreme situations. 

Now that may illuminate and tell us something about the wider society we live in - but mostly I think it doesn&#039;t. Mostly I think these are just stories where we can indulge our desire to split off all the nastiness that is in us all and project it safely out there, and then leave it behind afterwards. Just like some people do when playing violent computer games. 

I think your understanding of feminism is deeply flawed and based on a very few extreme examples. Of course the radical separatists exist - but mostly feminism isn&#039;t like that at all. The vast majority of feminists are living perfectly happily in harmony with the men in their lives - and just want justice and equality, and for women to live free of fear. Most of us think that would be better for men too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the world was full of hatred before that &#8211; well documented by Germaine Greer, and clearly demonstrated in the history books. Alas, all around the world, women are still treated as if they aren&#8217;t quite human &#8211; denied education, being punished for any sexual expression, genital mutiliation, being stoned for adultery, being left to burn in schools because they weren&#8217;t modestly covered&#8230; And our enlightened Western governments turn a blind eye and make deals with these regimes, if there is financial benefit. </p>
<p>Of course there are a great many men who are exploited, but generally it is by richer and more powerful men, and not by the few rich and powerful women. The evidence still shows that women do a huge proportion of the world&#8217;s work, in exchange for a tiny portion of it&#8217;s wealth. </p>
<p>I believe it has been in the interest of capitalism to set mena nd women againts each other, to keep our minds distracted from the great injustices that are perpetrated on all of us.</p>
<p>From what I gather the film is a thriller, and so many of them are biased in the other direction. Think of all the Chandler women, and the idea of women presented in the whole noir genre. </p>
<p>The suspicion and bleakness is just part of the genre, and complaining about it is akin to objecting to innuendo in Carry On films.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m reminded of the Michael Winner film. He was challenged about the sexism in his films on the Channel 4 discussion programme After Dark, and he said that if someone came to him with the gender roles reversed, he would still be inter5ested in making the film. What was it called? Dirty Weekend, I think. A female main character who was raped and abused went on a spree and killed lots of men who tried to take advanatage of her. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t read a film like that as a commentary on the relationhsip between all men and all women &#8211; it&#8217;s justa  story that chooses to look at the dark side of a few extreme situations. </p>
<p>Now that may illuminate and tell us something about the wider society we live in &#8211; but mostly I think it doesn&#8217;t. Mostly I think these are just stories where we can indulge our desire to split off all the nastiness that is in us all and project it safely out there, and then leave it behind afterwards. Just like some people do when playing violent computer games. </p>
<p>I think your understanding of feminism is deeply flawed and based on a very few extreme examples. Of course the radical separatists exist &#8211; but mostly feminism isn&#8217;t like that at all. The vast majority of feminists are living perfectly happily in harmony with the men in their lives &#8211; and just want justice and equality, and for women to live free of fear. Most of us think that would be better for men too.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on FILM: the most horrible feminist shite I ever saw by RealSteveHolmes</title>
		<link>http://realsteveholmes.com/631/film-the-most-horrible-femist-shite-i-ever-saw/comment-page-1#comment-237</link>
		<dc:creator>RealSteveHolmes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://realsteveholmes.com/?p=631#comment-237</guid>
		<description>I always find the use of the word &quot;stereotype&quot; in these matters very interesting, as if there could somehow be a descriptive phrase that is not a &quot;persuasive definition&quot;. As if we should all agree that Roman Polanski is still deserving of drastic retribution and we all agree that &quot;Hollywood&quot; has treated women badly. I do not. Hollywood has made many useless but superficially attractive women wealthy beyond dreams of avarice and they have been happy to accept that lifestyle while other women, and men, have toiled in despair as waiter, kitchen staff and busboys in the places that celebrities gather.

This is a film of almost unparalleled bleakness of vision in which no man can even have a decent thought. This is what I have understood is the heart of feminism since I witnessed it&#039;s birth on the campus of Sussex University straight after Germaine Greer&#039;s obscene book, in 1968 - and the world was suddenly full of hatred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always find the use of the word &#8220;stereotype&#8221; in these matters very interesting, as if there could somehow be a descriptive phrase that is not a &#8220;persuasive definition&#8221;. As if we should all agree that Roman Polanski is still deserving of drastic retribution and we all agree that &#8220;Hollywood&#8221; has treated women badly. I do not. Hollywood has made many useless but superficially attractive women wealthy beyond dreams of avarice and they have been happy to accept that lifestyle while other women, and men, have toiled in despair as waiter, kitchen staff and busboys in the places that celebrities gather.</p>
<p>This is a film of almost unparalleled bleakness of vision in which no man can even have a decent thought. This is what I have understood is the heart of feminism since I witnessed it&#8217;s birth on the campus of Sussex University straight after Germaine Greer&#8217;s obscene book, in 1968 &#8211; and the world was suddenly full of hatred.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
