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		<title>By: Cora</title>
		<link>http://realsteveholmes.com/121/commentary-on-touch/comment-page-1#comment-235</link>
		<dc:creator>Cora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 23:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a coincidence, first reading this blog about &#039;The Pleasant American&#039; and next watching the film &#039;The people vs Larry Flint&#039;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a coincidence, first reading this blog about &#8216;The Pleasant American&#8217; and next watching the film &#8216;The people vs Larry Flint&#8217;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: AnnG</title>
		<link>http://realsteveholmes.com/121/commentary-on-touch/comment-page-1#comment-229</link>
		<dc:creator>AnnG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it depends on each individual case. 

With some of my facebook friends - even those I have met - the friendship is more superficial, and exists mostly at the level of everyday chatter about relatively trivial things. 

However, with one or two of them, the surface, public chat is only one aspect - and we may discuss things that are deeper and more intimate in private mails. There is one facebook friend who I have never actually met, although I long to do so- with whom I have a great many things in common - similar experiences in childhood, and similar illnesses. We have supported each other over the past couple of years through health and emotional crises, and I genuinely feel much closer to her than I do to many people I see regularly - but who wouldn&#039;t dream of opening up in the same way. 

Sometimes I think that online may allow us to get closer than we would in real life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it depends on each individual case. </p>
<p>With some of my facebook friends &#8211; even those I have met &#8211; the friendship is more superficial, and exists mostly at the level of everyday chatter about relatively trivial things. </p>
<p>However, with one or two of them, the surface, public chat is only one aspect &#8211; and we may discuss things that are deeper and more intimate in private mails. There is one facebook friend who I have never actually met, although I long to do so- with whom I have a great many things in common &#8211; similar experiences in childhood, and similar illnesses. We have supported each other over the past couple of years through health and emotional crises, and I genuinely feel much closer to her than I do to many people I see regularly &#8211; but who wouldn&#8217;t dream of opening up in the same way. </p>
<p>Sometimes I think that online may allow us to get closer than we would in real life.</p>
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		<title>By: Cora</title>
		<link>http://realsteveholmes.com/121/commentary-on-touch/comment-page-1#comment-225</link>
		<dc:creator>Cora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 12:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I share this illusion with you, Ann
and I&#039;m thinking about the difference between communication online and in the real, with regard to continuity. Is there a rule about the intervals in the conversation when we are friends with someone online...it seems to me that online friendships do have a long viability, but with a more superficial character...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I share this illusion with you, Ann<br />
and I&#8217;m thinking about the difference between communication online and in the real, with regard to continuity. Is there a rule about the intervals in the conversation when we are friends with someone online&#8230;it seems to me that online friendships do have a long viability, but with a more superficial character&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: AnnG</title>
		<link>http://realsteveholmes.com/121/commentary-on-touch/comment-page-1#comment-224</link>
		<dc:creator>AnnG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading Touch 4 - and thinking about empathy. 

How much do we ever really understand each other? Thinking back again to the LSD experiences, there were times when we seemed to vividly share each other&#039;s reality - but how much of that was just illusion because the logical, rational part was temporarily disabled or disoriented? 

We often take it for granted that we understand the same thinsg when we use the same words...but to me a dog is a big friendly creature and to my brother it is a terrifying monster. And that&#039;s before we touch on words like &quot;ego&quot; and &quot;feminism&quot; which I know Steve and I have some history with...

I do agree that all too often even when we believe we are communicating or understanding someone else, it is all about me, me, me... We project our good and bad qualities on to others, and interpret everything they say as if we were at the centre of the universe. 

And yet, sometimes, with people we care about - especially those we love or close friends - it does seem to me that we do make real, meaningful connections. Even across great distances, and communicated only through the keyboard - there have been times when I have felt truly heard and understood - and times when I think I have heard or understood someone else. 

Or is that just illusion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading Touch 4 &#8211; and thinking about empathy. </p>
<p>How much do we ever really understand each other? Thinking back again to the LSD experiences, there were times when we seemed to vividly share each other&#8217;s reality &#8211; but how much of that was just illusion because the logical, rational part was temporarily disabled or disoriented? </p>
<p>We often take it for granted that we understand the same thinsg when we use the same words&#8230;but to me a dog is a big friendly creature and to my brother it is a terrifying monster. And that&#8217;s before we touch on words like &#8220;ego&#8221; and &#8220;feminism&#8221; which I know Steve and I have some history with&#8230;</p>
<p>I do agree that all too often even when we believe we are communicating or understanding someone else, it is all about me, me, me&#8230; We project our good and bad qualities on to others, and interpret everything they say as if we were at the centre of the universe. </p>
<p>And yet, sometimes, with people we care about &#8211; especially those we love or close friends &#8211; it does seem to me that we do make real, meaningful connections. Even across great distances, and communicated only through the keyboard &#8211; there have been times when I have felt truly heard and understood &#8211; and times when I think I have heard or understood someone else. </p>
<p>Or is that just illusion?</p>
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		<title>By: Cora</title>
		<link>http://realsteveholmes.com/121/commentary-on-touch/comment-page-1#comment-222</link>
		<dc:creator>Cora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote from Touch 12, the inner voice of our Mind: &quot;Am I getting my share? Am I high in the hierarchy? Am I being respected? Do they know who they’re talking to? I shouldn’t have to wait in line. Do I have enough (of the best) and with some to spare? How can I avoid any loss?&quot;

Very recognizable. It&#039;s an automatism, thinking like this. Would be great to be able to break through this pattern...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote from Touch 12, the inner voice of our Mind: &#8220;Am I getting my share? Am I high in the hierarchy? Am I being respected? Do they know who they’re talking to? I shouldn’t have to wait in line. Do I have enough (of the best) and with some to spare? How can I avoid any loss?&#8221;</p>
<p>Very recognizable. It&#8217;s an automatism, thinking like this. Would be great to be able to break through this pattern&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: RealSteveHolmes</title>
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		<dc:creator>RealSteveHolmes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s fine with me, Vincent. You do your own thing, as always. And I&#039;ll do mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s fine with me, Vincent. You do your own thing, as always. And I&#8217;ll do mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven’t been able to make sense of your Touch series, finding vituperation there rather than edification. But a mention by someone yesterday of Eckhart Tolle caused me to look him up, and see in him a sort of gentler version of Werner Erhard, which led me to examine (from a great distance of course) what they may have in common.

From this standpoint I felt it was possible to make sense of your writings, though not in detail. At any rate I saw that my approach to life is so different that there can hardly be a meeting-ground in between.

This approach begins and ends with respect: for oneself and others. It would preclude trying to mess with anyone&#039;s head, as gurus do.

And where I fail to see that respect, or cannot offer it, I distance myself. I don&#039;t say this is how anyone else should act.

But it breaks silence, and explains it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven’t been able to make sense of your Touch series, finding vituperation there rather than edification. But a mention by someone yesterday of Eckhart Tolle caused me to look him up, and see in him a sort of gentler version of Werner Erhard, which led me to examine (from a great distance of course) what they may have in common.</p>
<p>From this standpoint I felt it was possible to make sense of your writings, though not in detail. At any rate I saw that my approach to life is so different that there can hardly be a meeting-ground in between.</p>
<p>This approach begins and ends with respect: for oneself and others. It would preclude trying to mess with anyone&#8217;s head, as gurus do.</p>
<p>And where I fail to see that respect, or cannot offer it, I distance myself. I don&#8217;t say this is how anyone else should act.</p>
<p>But it breaks silence, and explains it.</p>
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		<title>By: Cora</title>
		<link>http://realsteveholmes.com/121/commentary-on-touch/comment-page-1#comment-154</link>
		<dc:creator>Cora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With regard to Touch3:

Yes, I believe strongly in the possibility that we know more than we think we’re knowing now… just as I believe that we don’t know how much we don’t know. 
I believe this work here, the message that Steve wants to share with us, his readers, invites us to take a journey together. Our minds can work together in this process. 
I can see our...attention or... energy or...our presence here like a thread, a thread in a kind of fabric. 
This fabric goes beyond our individual needs, it is more, and it is (imho) a phenomenon of our present days. We live our lives partly in the real world, partly in front of our computer. After all, think about how many hours each of us is spending online nowadays...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With regard to Touch3:</p>
<p>Yes, I believe strongly in the possibility that we know more than we think we’re knowing now… just as I believe that we don’t know how much we don’t know.<br />
I believe this work here, the message that Steve wants to share with us, his readers, invites us to take a journey together. Our minds can work together in this process.<br />
I can see our&#8230;attention or&#8230; energy or&#8230;our presence here like a thread, a thread in a kind of fabric.<br />
This fabric goes beyond our individual needs, it is more, and it is (imho) a phenomenon of our present days. We live our lives partly in the real world, partly in front of our computer. After all, think about how many hours each of us is spending online nowadays&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Holmes</title>
		<link>http://realsteveholmes.com/121/commentary-on-touch/comment-page-1#comment-150</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Holmes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, Richard. People can be so tight with their boundaries that they start vendettas when what appeared a transgression may have been merely routine clumsiness of spirit. I tend to test my boundaries with a hint of playful aggression and then see if the other person is mature enough to take it for what it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, Richard. People can be so tight with their boundaries that they start vendettas when what appeared a transgression may have been merely routine clumsiness of spirit. I tend to test my boundaries with a hint of playful aggression and then see if the other person is mature enough to take it for what it is.</p>
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		<title>By: RichardDerwentC</title>
		<link>http://realsteveholmes.com/121/commentary-on-touch/comment-page-1#comment-149</link>
		<dc:creator>RichardDerwentC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder whether are boundaries are merely notional.  We designate &#039;red lines&#039; which we will not cross or not allow others to do so.  However, I suspect circumstances make liars of us all and these boundaries shift like the edge of a fog bank.  

The mistake we tend to make is feeling we have to defend them and deal with the aggression that this gives rise to.

If we are truly &#039;keyed in&#039; to the other person, I suspect we tend to understand, and this forgive, most &#039;transgressions&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder whether are boundaries are merely notional.  We designate &#8216;red lines&#8217; which we will not cross or not allow others to do so.  However, I suspect circumstances make liars of us all and these boundaries shift like the edge of a fog bank.  </p>
<p>The mistake we tend to make is feeling we have to defend them and deal with the aggression that this gives rise to.</p>
<p>If we are truly &#8216;keyed in&#8217; to the other person, I suspect we tend to understand, and this forgive, most &#8216;transgressions&#8217;</p>
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